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Posted by Jakester on Monday, January 25, 2010

What season are we on now? 7? 8?

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Posted: 10 years 22 weeks ago

Best hour yet, in several years! The conflict both within Taylor and with Jack - fuuuuuck! Does she REALLY believe she is holding out for the greater Good? Or is she selling out for her glory? And talk about the ultimate betrayal to Jack - for her to sell him out like that. Yeah - this was one incredible hour! And Chloe stepping up to the role - LOVE IT!

Image if we had a full season with this sort of thought being put into the characters.

Latino caribo, mondo bongo, Nobody said it was fair. 
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Posted: 10 years 22 weeks ago

What I couldn't understand is her insisting on driving there to see Jack face-to-face if that was all she had to say..

Ala the "I'm giving you an order, Jack!"

My god, the writers are driving me crazy. She could have said that shit over the phone and saved the time.

But I will agree Uncle in saying the last two-three hours have been A- or B+ worthy in grades.

I just hope they don't end the final season with Jack going rogue once again. Been there, done that.

And oh yeah, killing Renee seriously pissed me the hell off. Not needed, writers. Seriously not needed.

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Posted: 10 years 22 weeks ago

CadderlySoaring wrote:

What I couldn't understand is her insisting on driving there to see Jack face-to-face if that was all she had to say..Ala the "I'm giving you an order, Jack!"My god, the writers are driving me crazy. She could have said that shit over the phone and saved the time.

President Taylor absolutely had to tell Jack in person. Being there in person has more weight than just calling him up on the phone. She knows that if she goes to CTU there is a chance that Jack will actually listen to her. It didn't end up working out that way, but if she had just called Jack on the phone there was no chance that he would have listened. If the President of the United States takes the time to come see you in person, you know that it is important.

Plus, having her go to CTU means we get a great scene with Jack and President Taylor face to face.

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Jakester
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Posted: 10 years 22 weeks ago

I think she owed it to Jack after all he's done for the country and her personally. And I agree with Strider that he'd not have listened at all were it a phone conversation. Enough bad shit's been done to Jack as a result of him putting the nation first that he's just had enough.

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Posted: 10 years 22 weeks ago

Agreed. Plus it made for an awesome scene to see Chloe greeting and hosting the President as head of CTU. I love how they set Chloe's character up each season building upon the previous. Really - if you think about how frustratingly annoying (yet brilliantly played) she was in her debut season, would anybody ever have seen this outcome?? She is truly (and has been) one of the series' true highlights - year after year.

And I am not saying that because I think she is cute.

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Posted: 10 years 21 weeks ago

Apache helicopters are ARMY equipment, not Air Force, you idiots!
The episode had some good moments, but they were, once again, eclipsed by poor writing plotting.

President Taylor: "President Elvis! You can't torture the bad guys who tried to kill you. It goes against the peace accord."

Later...

Charles Logan: "Madam President, you're going to have to authorize the torture and execution of Dana Walsh so the peace accord can move ahead."
President Taylor: "Sure....let's do it."

Also, they found out that the Russians were involved, what, two, maybe 3 hours ago? How is it a cover-up when the executive branch finds out about something major like that and doesn't share it? CTU knows about it. I'm sure the NSA does as well. Who's covering it up? Once again, I'd point out that not disclosing immediately the Russian involvement is prudent. And again, i wonder WHY the administration can't reveal it AFTER the accord is signed? Again, not a cover-up, but strategic diplomacy.

Really, the show has gotten so amazingly stupid over the last several years, any more all I want to do is go Jack Bauer on Manny Coto and Brannon Braga.

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Posted: 10 years 21 weeks ago

Personally, I'd rather go all Jack Bauer on Annie Wersching. You see, it's all about context.

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Posted: 10 years 21 weeks ago

Good moments in last night's episode, but it really felt like a filler hour. President Taylor is getting VERY annoying, while Charles and Ethan steal the spotlight. Jack was just going thru the motions last night, while Chloe... well, I still love her. Dana is showing (FINALLY!) that she can act! I'm hoenestly scared for her!

Please don't let her reveal Tony and Michelle as the conspirators behind it all. It's possible, you know.

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Strider
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Posted: 10 years 21 weeks ago

I'm still waiting for David Palmer's ghost showing up, Obi Wan-style, to give President Taylor some advice.

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Jakester
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Posted: 10 years 21 weeks ago

Or we'll find out that Palmer wasn't really dead and he was behind it all.

I just don't know how the writers can say that they're proud of their work on the show the last few seasons and keep a straight face.

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Posted: 10 years 21 weeks ago

Y'know what? I'm two episodes behind where you guys are as of right now, (though I should be caught up tonight) and I couldn't help myself from thinking that the hours where Hassan died, Renee died, and the one in between were some absolutely classic 24. Dana Walsh works SO much better as a mole than she did as a helpless hillbilly boyfriend girl. Granted, she would work much better as anything other then that, but I digress.

The action, drama, and the start of the political maneuvering to come with the Russians and Logan have got me completely back on board with this season. I think I mentioned this earlier, but this had been a fairly solid year if you just ignored everything other than Pre-Mole Walsh, and now that they've straightened that nonsense out, Starbuck is emerging again from Sackhoff, and this is definitely 24 firing on all cylinders on their way out the door, IMO.

Can't wait to get fully caught up to see if it holds strong.

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Posted: 10 years 21 weeks ago

It doesn't.
If you ignore the Walsh subplot, it wasn't a horrible season. There were still some glaringly bad choices made by characters, and definitely some plot shoehorning going on, but it wasn't as bad as last year by any means. What's even more strange about the Dana Walsh thing is if she got embedded so extremely well by the Russians, she must've been fairly well established as a player in the spy game, and also very, very good at staying hidden. HOW THE FRAK did a hick ex-boyfriend find her so easily? What would be the point of playing along with him (hint: there isn't one) instead of meeting him and quietly "silencing" him? IT MAKES NO SENSE.

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Strider
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Posted: 10 years 21 weeks ago

I'd have rather had that plotline, Jakester. If she had just killed the ex-boyfriend as soon as he showed up without much of an explanation it would have been much better. It would have cast doubt on any of her later actions and given the character some mystery and weight. Hell, even if they revealed her to be a mole as soon as she killed him, it would have been better than the existing storyline.

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Jakester
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Posted: 10 years 21 weeks ago

That's why I could never write for 24 (the fact that the show was canceled notwithstanding).

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Adam54
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Posted: 10 years 21 weeks ago

But ignoring the boyfriend, and the even more bizarre super dedicated hillbilly parole officer, and I really don't see a better option than pretending that useless storyline never happened (has there ever been a more blatant example of them changing a plotline halfway through a season?), doesn't Dana Walsh work well as a mole? It took me an episode to get over the idiocy of them flipping this weak/scared little woman who doesn't want her identity revealed into badass super mole, but while I was watching her in action, I forgot about all that. Maybe Sackhoff is just that good when she's actually given something to work with, or maybe my standards have been lowered, but I'm definitely loving the direction the show has taken since they flipped her. Everything else just clicked after that.

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Posted: 10 years 21 weeks ago

I agree with you Adam. The show has been better since she's been revealed as a mole, but I don't think it's necessarily because she is a mole though. Besides, the "mole inside CTU" storyline is way too overused by now.

Don't get me wrong, I still like watching the show. I just wish it was as good as it was early on. I also miss the 24 that actually paid attention to the "real time" aspect of the show. You know, when characters began an episode in the exact same spot they ended the previous one at.

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Oh no, I totally didn't mean it that way. The political stuff has picked up greatly, the action scenes have been legitimately suspenseful at times, and the fact that Chloe is now in charge (or maybe not by the time I get caught up?) is just awesome. Everything else is clicking now, and the fact that they don't have that atrocious storyline to contend with anymore is just icing on the cake.

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Posted: 10 years 20 weeks ago

Another incredible hour!!!!!!!!!!! FUUUUUUUCK. DID NOT SEE THAT COMING!

I don't know who I hate more now - Charles. Or Taylor.

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Best part of the episode? Katee running.

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Posted: 10 years 20 weeks ago

Worst part of the episode? When Katee stopped running.

I'm curious as to see what uncleagent didn't see coming. I thought the episode was fun, yet rather predictable.

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Jakester
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Posted: 10 years 20 weeks ago

Yeah. It was okay. It's also kind of fun watching Itzin chew up his scenes, too, even if this whole plot is completely ridiculous.

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Strider wrote:

I'm curious as to see what uncleagent didn't see coming.

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I honestly did not see him shooting her in cold blood like that. It wasn't self-defense at that point - she gave him the chip. I imagined he would have bound her - maybe popped a knee-cap or something - and then had her picked up. Give all the bullshit she's been capable of, he had no real reason to believe she would fork the evidence over so easily.

It was a powerful moment for both Jack and Katee. I won't say it was a bad call on the writers, but it still begs the questions I presented.

Good last 6 hours tho!

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Man, I totally expected that out of Jack at this point. He's no stranger to getting "unhinged" and he's pretty damned pissed about Renee's murder. I would have actually been surprised if he had restrained himself.

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Posted: 10 years 19 weeks ago

Hey! Look! 24 is almost over!
Generally a dull episode last night. I mean, it was nice to see Jack torture someone again, but aside from that....zzzzzzz.

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Posted: 10 years 19 weeks ago

I can't wait until Jack gets to torture President Logan. First he tortures and kills a former President, and then Jack gets killed by the secret service. You could wave goodbye to any chances for a 24 movie then!

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