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Posted by Jakester on Monday, January 25, 2010

What season are we on now? 7? 8?

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Posted: 10 years 25 weeks ago

No? It's not like the last few seasons have totally sucked ass or anything?

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Posted: 10 years 25 weeks ago

I'm slowly catching up. Kind of spoiled myself on the latest ridiculous mole twist, and now am less eager to catch up than I had been.

Eh, it had a good run. This season is a definite letdown from last year, but if they wanted to go out on top they should've quit after season 5, IMO.

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Posted: 10 years 25 weeks ago

Last year sucked ass. I believe I frothed at the mouth about how bad it was, didn't I?

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Posted: 10 years 25 weeks ago

Last season's was the absolute lowest. Were it not for the Dana story and the Keystone CTU antics, this season would be pretty decent. Somewhat.

Tonight's episode held my interest moreso than weeks past.

Renee was awesome tonight. That helped.

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Sorry, last year was much better than season six. Season six was forgettable, stupid, and repetitive. Plus it had a serious lack of Renee. Last year may not have been the show's best, but it was far from the worst, IMHO.

As for this year, I need to catch up on last night's episode. I just couldn't be bothered to watch it on TV yesterday.

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Posted: 10 years 25 weeks ago

I don't recall season 6. Was that with the terrorist family? Mom now has a recurring role on FlashForward? it was pretty lame.

Last night's episode, ignoring the mole shit again, was actually pretty good. It even introduced a really good moral question: Do you risk sacrificing the lives of thousands of the countrymen you are sworn to protect to preserve a moral obligation you have to protect the President of another country and guest of your own? Which decision will ultimately protect more people long term?

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Posted: 10 years 25 weeks ago

I'm now only two weeks behind, and the last two episodes I watched (I think everything through 4 AM?) were very solid. Didn't see the EMP swerve coming, and almost everything else was very very well done.

But then there's Dana.

I...seriously....did they really need to hire Randy Quaid's even less talented brother to play some sort of incredibly smart, incredibly dedicated to his job hillbilly probation officer? How. Fucking. Ridiculous.

Just...seriously! They're wasting Katee Sackhoff, as well as my time every minute I have to watch her ridiculous story play out on screen. And it only gets worse from here...ugh.

It's shaping into a decent enough final season otherwise, but this is a huge cougar sized scar on their record.

And I liked last season. Thought it was a very good return to form after season 6. I remember not liking season 6 at all, but couldn't tell you a single thing about it. Was that the year Jack got back from China?

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No, she was in Day 4 (along with Arnold Voosloo). Come to think of it, Day 4 wasn't that great overall either. Day 6 starts off with the nuclear blast in LA and involves a bunch of chasing after Jack's father (who was somehow involved) after that. Wikipedia can remind you of more details if you wish: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24_%28season_6%29

I agree, apart from the mole crap, last night's episode was pretty good. I think Jack should go teach tactics in special ops training because he is infinitely better than any crack team. He took out that team no problem. Does anyone else think that Tarin is going to chicken out? Otherwise there isn't much time for Jack or CTU to find him.

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Posted: 10 years 25 weeks ago

oh GOD. I'd completely blocked Cromwell from my memory. And the one armed doctor from ER as Jack's brother. Ugh, that was bad bad stuff. Still not approaching the ludicrous Dana Walsh story, but not good.

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Yeah, taken individually, Dana Walsh is worse than any individual thing that season. However, this year has some redeeming qualities that keeps it from being the worst overall. Day Six's story was so meandering and the dumb plot points ticked off all the boxes on the "24's Greatest Hits" clipboard. It's like they couldn't decide what to do so they said, "Let's do everything we've ever done to this point." I'm kind of surprised that they didn't find a way to work in another cougar.

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Oops. Double Post.

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Posted: 10 years 25 weeks ago

It's kind of sad actually. On paper, Cromwell sounds like he'd be great as Jack's dad. It's too bad he had crap to work with.

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Yeah, there were a lot of wasted opportunities throughout the years with 24.
Some of my gripes with last season began when they completely ignored Redemption, which they wrote AFTER they filmed the first x number of episodes, right? So they invented the First Son's unreliable friend, and HE was the one who found out about the conspiracy and was killed. By the time the premiere rolls around, the First Son was the one who uncovered the conspiracy and was killed. It just made no sense. Then we've got examples of idiot tactical behaviour all 'round w/ seasoned super-spies like Jack and Tony deliberately waiting until bad guys they want to kill go from clustered together (fish in a barrel) to spread out over a compound before shooting them. They even mention that this is a "smart" tactical decision. WTF?! Oh, and then there's bad Tony->Good Tony->Bad Tony; an assault on the White House via caves or tunnels from the river?! WHAT?! There's so much more, but at least we got introduced to Rack Bauer.

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Posted: 10 years 25 weeks ago

Despite its problems, I still really enjoyed 24 last year. Maybe it was due to the extended gap between seasons or something that I enjoyed it more than I should have.

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Posted: 10 years 24 weeks ago

So let me get this straight...Jack is chasing the SUV with Hassan in it, they go into a parking garage with only two exits, and they don't bother to block it off so the SUV couldn't escape, let alone any other car the could switch to? Why didn't Jack just say, "block the exits"? Seems prudent to me. And this is all ignoring how quickly the terrorists were able to get someone to that specific garage.

And who wasn't expecting the internet video to be pre-recorded? I guess the only good thing to come out of that is Dana's deal is now void. I'm sure that Cole will get to kill her later...or prove how good he is by restraining himself at the last second. 24 still knows how to stage the action scenes very well, but it's like the writers are way past caring whether the story that ties the action together makes any logical sense. It's too bad. The first few seasons were pretty logical, at least compared to the current state of things.

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Posted: 10 years 24 weeks ago

The IRK guys made mention of "being prepared" for being followed, so having someone in the garage was probably a backup plan. Sure, it's implausible, but it was mentioned.

Overall, there was a lot less stupid in these two episodes than there was in the prior ones. Sure, there still were stupid moments, as you point out, Strider, but everything worked much better for me these past two hours than they have in a very long time.

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I was still able to enjoy watching the show, but that this particular piece of stupidity directly led to major plot developments that should have been easily prevented. I've come to expect side characters and organizations to be dumb now, but Jack should have known better. They made a point of saying the garage only had two exits, and it felt like nobody went to block them off just so that they could get away, several minutes later no less. If the car had left much earlier or if they had come up with a different way to escape, it wouldn't have bugged me so much.

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Posted: 10 years 24 weeks ago

Jack did ask another team to cover one exit while he took the other. It seems like they just sort of gave up after the SUV went over the ledge. You're right, it was pretty stupid.

Starbuck's pretty hot, though.

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Posted: 10 years 23 weeks ago

DAMNIT!

Rack Bauer!

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Did you just finish watching 24 on Hulu like I did? Seriously! Anybody that Jack gets romantically involved with might as well shoot themselves in the head at this point. I bet Kate Warner is feeling pretty damn lucky to be alive.

For that matter, major characters on this show don't get to live more often than not. How the hell has Chloe not died yet? Do you think she'll be killed by the end of the year?

On a good note, the look on Chloe's face when she was told she'd be in charge was hilariously awesome. The slimy, underhanded Charles Logan being back was great. The beginnings of maneuvering Dalia Hassan into the Presidency of her country was great. (including her daughter's reaction).

I really liked this episode overall, but for the whole buildup to the end (and even early on with Renee's glance at the EMT guy), I was muttering under my breath, "You'd better not do it. Don't do it. I can see what you're doing, and I hate it. Don't do it." I was hoping they were doing such an obvious buildup to switch it up at the end by not shooting her. Then I hoped that Jack would be able to get her to the hospital on time, but it wasn't meant to be, unfortunately.

This is just another example of this season's overarching lesson: When Jack tells you to stay put, don't get up and do otherwise, even if there's no apparent danger. Just listen to Jack.

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No, I DVR'ed it and watched it around 10:30 or so last night. Just got around to posting today, though.

I think she was sort of in his sights in the room, no? Either way, it was telegraphed early on in the episode, and I half expected the show to go against the expectation and NOT do it. Oh well.

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Exactly. They telegraphed it so many times and so obviously that I thought they were going to do the opposite.

Apparently this has been planned from the very beginning of this season though. I just read an excerpt of an interview that Howard Gordon (exec producer) did with Michael Ausiello that said that. The showrunners also supposedly had several discussions on the prowess of Jack Bauer and how long he should last in the sack.

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/04/13/24-renee-jack-shocker/#more-7376

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You know what? I'm not in tears over Renee getting killed. I'm more annoyed, I guess. in Renee, we had a great character with a great arc and they simply use her as a plot device to get Jack super pissed off. Again. Yet we still have to deal with Dana Walsh and her shoddy arc and character.

Hell, had they handled Wersching's character better, they could've parlayed it into a spinoff that I'd be inclined to watch. Have her head up a CTU branch and change the format of the show so it's no longer real-time, but have it live in the same universe as 24.

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Posted: 10 years 22 weeks ago

Charles Logan is a slimy son of a bitch, isn't he? I don't know how this thing is going to play out, but surely Jack will ruin Logan's plans again. Despite the lack of gunfights and explosions, I think this episode was more tense than 24 has been in a while. The moral dilemma facing President Taylor is very interesting territory to explore, and there's no way I'd be able to make a decision there. The scene between Jack and her was perhaps the highlight of this season for me. Very well acted between the two of them.

Also, it doesn't seem like Chloe's going to have an easy time being in charge, and Jack sure as hell isn't going to make things any easier.

On another note, I kind of want to know where Logan got his information from, but I almost don't want to know at the same time. Having mysterious sources makes Logan seem a bit more sinister, and I doubt that a reveal of who he knows will be Earth-shattering....unless it's the ghost of David Palmer or something.

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I totally get Taylor's decision, but why couldn't she tell Jack to pursue it once the accord was signed in a few hours. If, once the Russian bastards sign it, it could come out how they engineered the assassination of President Elvis of the IRK and were involved in a terrorist plot on US soil. It would be a huge international embarrassment.

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